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Astrology of Mars, Saturn and a Military Family

• Alexander Mallon • Season 2 • Episode 5

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What makes certain individuals gravitate toward military and law enforcement careers? Host Alexander Mallon and guest Laura Sklover examine the charts of three brothers whose planetary alignments tell a compelling story. Mars (the planet of war and action), Saturn (discipline and structure), and Pluto (power and transformation) feature prominently in all three charts, mirroring similar patterns in their father's and grandfather's charts.

The synchronicity extends beyond career choices - both the grandfather and father had served in Okinawa during their military careers, separated by decades. Even more remarkably, the brothers initially had different career aspirations: one had multiple advanced degrees, another considered architecture, and the third explored medicine. Yet all three found themselves drawn to uniform service, beginning and ending their careers in the same years.

Throughout this episode, we uncover how the semi-sextile aspect between Mars and the Sun (approximately 30 degrees separation) appears consistently in people with athletic, military, or physically demanding careers - a pattern observed throughout Alexander's 50 years of astrological practice. We also compare these findings with the Kennedy family charts, revealing similar Mars-Saturn-Pluto signatures in another prominent family known for service and leadership.

Whether you're a new or lifelong student of Astrology, this episode offers compelling evidence of how planetary placements at birth mirror our life paths in mysterious yet consistent ways. 

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Alexander & Sheila

Speaker 1:

Well, hi again and welcome to the Astrology of Family, Karma and Relationships podcast. I'm your host, Alexander Mallon, and we have a special guest today. Again, we worked with the wonderful Laura Sklover. So hello, Laura, Thank you for coming again. I so appreciate your being here with me and talking astrology today. So nice to be here again. So, Laura, we had an interesting conversation a few months ago discussing a family that you worked with astrologically, that their charts were kind of unique. There was a storyline that you brought up that had me wondering. We need to talk about this astrologically. If I recall it was some Saturn themes, some Mars themes.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes, so these three brothers actually have. They all ended up going into law enforcement and military. Two of the brothers ended up being New York City police officers and the other one ended up being in the military and military police and became a major. But one of the interesting things about this, alex and this is part of our conversation in the past, but just to bring the audience in is that years before any of the boys were born, the mother had a reading where she was told that she was going to have three sons and that the three sons would end up being in uniform, and she was concerned, of course, as a mother would be, that those boys would end up being drafted, but that wasn't the case. They all made a conscious decision to go into military and law enforcement, so that was really interesting. The other thing that I think might also be really interesting to everyone is that they went in the same year. Okay, so two of the brothers who ended up going into the police academy. Well, they went in together, okay, and-.

Speaker 1:

They were in the same group, the same class in the academy, they were in the same class.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they ended up going in at the same time. The other brother, who the older brother, he ended up going into the military the same year. So it's interesting. So 2020, I mean, I'm sorry, 2004. And they all ended up ending their careers 20 years later, 2024. So that was an interesting thing. The boys that went in together. They of course it would make sense as police officers. That's a typical thing. A lot of them will get out 20 years later. But the other brother, the older brother, he ended up going on two extra tours, um, and so it just ended up being 20 years later and it ended up 2020. I mean 2004 to 2024. So really interesting, um.

Speaker 1:

So let me check here for you and for the listeners and viewers. So what? What? I, as you know, because laura and I were chatting about this a few times now and even prepping for the program what I didn't fully comprehend the first time was all three of these, uh, siblings, um, the oldest was military, uh, the two, military police, yeah, oh, and military police and the two- Military police yeah.

Speaker 1:

Oh, and military police and the two younger ones were in the police academy together at the same time. They all entered these careers in 2004, and they all three exited these careers 2024. Correct, I mean, that is unique. And the mother was told in a reading that she'd have three boys. This is when she was young. She was maybe what 20-something? Yeah, she'd have three boys and they'd all be in uniform. That was her reading.

Speaker 2:

Yep.

Speaker 1:

Wow, that's pretty unique.

Speaker 2:

It's kind of crazy yeah.

Speaker 1:

Those facts people that are viewing you'll be seeing charts in a moment and those who are listening to the podcast. Those facts, in this case, were enough to have Laura and I start whipping out charts as astrologers do. You know, astrologers are always poking around astrological data and looking for the cycles to mirror astrologically, explain what's what, and so it had us come together for today's show. Well, I'm going to Laura, I'm going to launch I have a couple of slides here, powerpoint for us to look at the kind of some visuals to help kind of tie some of this together. Let me, let me go to that, if I can.

Speaker 2:

Sure.

Speaker 1:

So, okay, okay, okay. So the Astrology of Family, karma and Relationships podcast Mars, saturn and the Ties that Bind Family Themes of Empowerment is the title of today's program. That's our idea with special guest Laura Sklover folks. So this interesting topic of Mars and Saturn, that was something that we found when we were doing our research. That in general astrology, laura. Isn't it true that Mars is considered the god of war and deals with Mars?

Speaker 2:

cycles in general. Yes, it is it definitely does.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yes, it is …cycles in general? Yeah, it definitely does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Mars is those cycles of aggression, war and so forth. Let me try and say also Saturn, our next slide here. Saturn is known as structural law, restriction, discipline, obligation, ambition. So usually in astrology parlance we would say that astrologers would look at these planets as being connected to astrologically connected to things that might deal with military themes, and so those slides we have here I don't know if they showed earlier. Something was going a little amiss with my program. There we go.

Speaker 1:

Those slides that talk about Mars being anger or war, courage, competition, passion, Saturn being structure, law, restriction, discipline, responsibility, obligation. These would be things that astrologers would look for in most astrological charts to describe military power, military types of endeavors. There was one other thing that astrologers typically look at, and we discussed the next planet, Pluto.

Speaker 2:

Pluto yeah.

Speaker 1:

That Pluto, the most distant planet, the one that was demoted by astronomers, pluto, the god of the underworld. Pluto named by an 11-year-old girl, not by astronomers. It was a drawing, a lottery, to name the planet X back then. And Pluto is the god of the underworld. Death and rebirth are Plutonian themes, themes that deal with power themes, death and rebirth themes, and also, lastly, people might know, pluto was discovered in 1930. Plutonium was discovered in 1935. And of course, during the 30s into the 40s, the rise and the beginning of Nazism, the rise of World War II and then eventually World War II, certainly a plutonium theme, if ever there was, like Hiroshima, nagasaki, the atom bomb, the atomic bomb, plutonium themes. So those themes of Pluto are really powerful, as are Mars, as are Saturn. In astrological parlance, those three planets are really big when it comes to looking at militaristic kind of efforts. Oh yeah, so we're going to look at those charts of that family in a second.

Speaker 1:

But you know what occurred to me I kind of threw this at you, laura, just a couple hours ago. I was wondering what other family system might have some military background or leadership, military world leader. What family could I think of, since we're discussing families and the theme of Saturn and Mars tying families together. What family could I think of? That would maybe show something of interest. And of course I thought of the Kennedy family and sort of the American Camelot as they discuss it, the Kennedy family. So Joseph Kennedy Sr, born September 6th of 1888. I have a data of 7.06 in the morning, boston, massachusetts, for those of you who don't know the chart. But very important, joseph Kennedy Sr has this Mars and Pluto opposition in the chart and kind of midpoint to that opposition, kind of wide, is that Saturn again. So Saturn is prominent in Joseph's chart. It's near that career angle of the chart, it's sort of in the upper quadrant of the chart, as is that Pluto Do we know, is that time accurate?

Speaker 2:

Just curious about it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, this was Rodden's data. It gets a dirty data. It's questionable as to whether he's a morning baby, but 706 is pretty exacting. I'm not sure who came up with that time, but we do still have a Mars-Pluto opposing each other. That's significantly notable there. Jfk's chart has Saturn at the top of the chart, with Pluto not far and Mars on the other side of the sun. So Saturn prominent, pluto prominent, neptune prominent in JFK's chart, and then that Mars part of this grouping, or stellium notable. You know, jfk's chart laura was one of those charts that's always noted, particularly for a fan pattern. You know this idea of the body of the fan and the handle being uranus. He was uh, he was a uranian rule breaker. Uh, he was. He was wanting to change government, wanting to get rid of the Fed. That caused a lot of stir. He was a reformer, as was Bobby. We know what happened to JFK and to his brother, bobby.

Speaker 1:

Right yes, unfortunately, yeah, notable too for these charts, although this is one of those principles of Alexander's that most astrologers don't agree with, is that I look at that Mars to Sun relationship and folks, I look at this stellium grouping as a giant amalgamation and I think of that Mars as being conjoined to that sun. I would expect this person, jfk, to have a martial element to his nature independent, aggressive, assertive and or military. Now here we have roughly almost a semi-sextile, let's say about a good solid, you know, 24 degrees, 25, 23 degrees, something in there, separation of that Mars and that Sun. I think that that's an interesting component because in the charts we're looking at today, that semi-sectile, or 22 degrees roughly, separation of Mars and Sun seem to be pretty consistent in these charts, but that's not a conjunction by most astrologers' standards.

Speaker 2:

No, it isn't which I you know you're going to get a lot of blowback on that, but that's okay, we should talk about that.

Speaker 1:

Well, go ahead, we could talk about this. Let's just look at a few charts for my point about it. But again, we were saying astrology would say that if these folks were military and or leaders and or powerful people or power brokers, we would see Mars, saturn, pluto prominent. Jfk's chart has at least two of those planets that are prominent. But actually too, you know that Sun is kind of midpoint-ish with that Pluto and that Mars. That for me as an astrologer stands out. Most astrologers wouldn't quite see it that way, but I still see that Sun and that Pluto and that Mars and that Saturn being prominent in this chart For Bobby Kennedy, november 20th of 25, for Bobby Kennedy, we have Sun-Saturn conjunction and we have Mars very close to the chart as well.

Speaker 1:

So we have that Mars and that Saturn, both on either side of the descendant and that Sun nearby. So again, sun, mars, saturn. The one planet that's not like, obviously, in our face is Pluto, though Pluto is trying. So again a Pluto aspect to this chart Saturn, mars and Pluto trying to one another. Another interesting connection of Pluto and Mars and Saturn. And again that Mars for Bobby Kennedy is roughly almost 5 degrees, we'll say 4 degrees 50 minutes. That Sun is 28 degrees of Scorpio and those are roughly 24 degrees apart. So there again that ballpark of that sort of semi-sextile, less than semi-sextile, relationship. Again, I personally would look at that bond of Sun 28, saturn 18, mars 4 degrees Scorpio in kennedy's chart, setting there on the on that descendant. I would look at that as a stellium and also a conjunction, an amalgamation of mars, saturn and sun energy.

Speaker 1:

For bobby and bobby also was a reformer, as we know I mean bobby was definitely, that's true, assassinated for his carrying on the work of his brothers Ted Kennedy, february 22nd of 32. Here we do have a Mars-Mercury-Sun conjunction. There is a Saturn opposing Pluto in the chart, pluto is setting, saturn is rising. In Ted's chart, again, structure and Pluto hidden or difficult themes. And then you know Mars-Sun, a person who's executive, in this case Pluto-Mercury. He was mercurial, mental mercurial. So would you I mean I read that, for instance, as an example of that Mercury-Mars-Sun conjunction as somebody who might be like lawyerly or have a very strong mentality- Well, and he did come across that way.

Speaker 2:

I mean, he definitely projected himself in that way.

Speaker 1:

He was a senator for many, many decades. A very vocal senator, very prominent, very vocal. Yeah, a very vocal senator. Very prominent, very vocal.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, a key leader, and one who also was able to cross the aisle.

Speaker 1:

Another person who could kind of cross the aisle. He did command respect, wow. It's interesting, you know, because something else that brought us to do this workshop, to this presentation rather, was we were discussing this military theme and how, right now in the sky, we have that Saturn-Pluto opposition here. We're doing this recording in spring of 2025, you know, early May of 2025, where we just had a retrograde Mars opposing that Pluto retrograde Mars and Leo opposing Pluto in the sky.

Speaker 1:

These last half year, when Donald Trump was elected, when Donald Trump took office in January and was inaugurated, we worried all of us that we might have another January 6th event. But now we're kind of worrying as Trump and the GOP are dismantling what they feel needs to happen, dismantling the government and dismantling governmental agencies left and right, and also we're having themes of dictatorship and Vladimir Putin and Ukraine. These are all big themes. What's happening in the Gaza Strip? Again, mars, pluto Mars, they say the lower octave of Pluto, pluto being plutonium. Mars, pluto Mars, they say the lower octave of Pluto, pluto being plutonium, mars being war. So we're having that opposition right now and again it kind of spawned.

Speaker 1:

It's a Marshall time we're in. As we're discussing this, the cats are fighting. That's interesting. We'll have to bring them in. They decided to join the show. What do you know? Next, the dogs will show up outside. So we'll see what happens next. But Ted Kennedy, let's not forget, not only was he famous for being a senator forever and being a person, as you say, reached across the aisle, he was also famous for Chappaquiddick, for the drowning of his secretary or possible lover.

Speaker 2:

And there was something else, some sort of involvement, which they never. We don't know for sure what happened there.

Speaker 1:

We don't know for sure, but the secretary drowned. But we do know that when this calamity happened at night and the car slid into the water, the person that Ted called was his mistress, not his wife. So that added to the whole. The mistress gets the phone call and there's a woman in the car and he manages to get out of the car and escape drowning himself. Interesting, you know, we look at a chart sometimes karmically right when we see a Neptune and Moon conjunction, Neptune and Moon in the eighth house of death. Some astrologers call the eighth house the house of death or demise. So we have that Neptune moon conjunction opposing Ted's chart. And well, there was certainly a major death in his life that involved drowning. So that's interesting how the birth chart, they say, promises themes in a person's life, or sometimes literal events in a person's life.

Speaker 2:

That's just amazing, and again we know that that's right the time.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, or did they?

Speaker 2:

make it right so that it would work.

Speaker 1:

No, the data is AA data. Okay, good, yeah, we have February 22nd of 32, 3.58 in the morning in Dorchester for Ted Kennedy.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, that's a right on chart Speaks volumes right there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Now of course we digress if we discuss the drowning event of Chappaquiddick and look at the cycles around that that's not really apropos our discussion, other than the themes of Saturn and Pluto and Mars, the themes of Saturn and Pluto and Mars, which are about military or militaristic militarism or paramilitary or control or even, like military you know, war, death and dying. So it brings in another theme in his life that was certainly Plutonian death and dying, this drowning event. So let's go to the family in question that we had talked about in our prep. We have a grandfather who was born on August 4th of 26th. We have no time of birth, but this grandfather has a son in Leo at 11 degrees and Mars at 1 degree, Taurus.

Speaker 1:

So kind of a bit of a wide square off by 10 degrees. 11 degrees there, but you know 10 degrees. But some call it a square. I would certainly call it a square.

Speaker 2:

Well, I mean, it is the sun, right, and that's so you can give it a wider orb anyway.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so it works, it works. There also is a Saturn opposite that Mars and square that sun. So we have a T-square in the grandfather's chart Saturn in Scorpio, mars in Taurus and the Sun in between. So we have a T-square the Sun in Leo. So there is a T-square. If we involve the Jupiter, he actually has got a grand cross and fixed signs. Grand cross and fixed signs in grandfather's chart. That's grandfather on the father's side of the sons in question, who are all military right. That's the father's father.

Speaker 2:

Right right.

Speaker 1:

So they say in astrology, don't they say that family patterns typically have similar astrological signatures to them?

Speaker 2:

Yes, and you'll notice that the ones with the same names, I mean the same names the oldest son it's interesting because they're all the oldest in their family Son number one, the father, and then the grandfather, and they all, interestingly, ended up going into the military and in the army. All of them ended up in the army sect, and the other thing that is interesting that the mother had pointed out to me is that they all ended up in Okinawa many years apart from each other.

Speaker 1:

Good Lord. So the grandfather who has a grand cross and fixed a Mars opposing Saturn, the grandfather was in Okinawa in World War II. His son, the father of the three youngsters or younger gentlemen, we'll be discussing the father himself, july 19th of 1947, 7.30 am, brooklyn, new York. That's the father of the three sons we'll talk about. He also is in the army and also stationed in Okinawa.

Speaker 2:

Also stationed in Okinawa, and I just want to say also that the grandfather was drafted. There was a draft. The father, like his sons, went into the military. He went in as a young man, as a very young man I think. He was like 16 or 17, actually earned his degree. He earned his GED or whatever while he was in there, but then went on to get multiple degrees after that, going on to university, but made a conscious decision to do that, which was really something back in that time period.

Speaker 1:

That is you know, and I'm noting. By the way, I hope I'm not interrupting, forgive me, but I'm noting that the grandfather has a Leo bundle here and his son, both of them. Now we know that wound up in Okinawa in the army, yep. His son has a Leo rising with a big Leo bundle as well.

Speaker 2:

Yes, the grandfather's son.

Speaker 1:

The grandfather's solar placement is in Leo, on his son's Saturn and Pluto Again, the theme of Pluto and Saturn being militaristic here is part of our question, part of our exploration of today's program. So the father who bore a son born in 1947, the son, his dad, had the natal son on his child's ascendant in Saturn and Pluto and Moon Interesting, and also, in this case, his son, a 25 Cancer, 57 Sun placement in his birth chart, next to Mercury. There, that was only five days away, six days away from being also a Leo, a Leo Sun sign. So you have a Cancer cancer Leo bundle for the father and then when we go to the children we have for the first we'll go to son number one.

Speaker 2:

He also has his Mars in Leo and he's got that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, he's got that cancer stellium there as well, just like the father another stellium that involves Saturn and Sun and Mars. Um, so this is the first son of the eldest son who uh entered the military, got his uh degree or ged, you said no, the um, the uh, the father.

Speaker 2:

Father, forgive me, I'm sorry, the father got the ged.

Speaker 1:

So this, so explain to me this eldest son of the father. So again, the father was 1947, july 19th. His eldest son, july, 2nd 1974.

Speaker 2:

He actually my understanding is he actually had gone into the military, I believe at age 30. I guess that bears out, but it was 2004. And I'm pretty sure it was age 30 that I was told he had gone in as an officer because he had multiple degrees. So because of his degrees he ended up going in as an officer and went on to become a major. So he ended up, you know, being career military and extending his career longer than he would have normally. Like I said, it ended up being 20 years, which it wasn't supposed to. It wasn't slated for that and it just ended up that, just like his two other brothers, he was in the same year, 2004,. Out the same year, 2024. So strange, you can't make this up.

Speaker 1:

Right, right. So this younger man, the son number one, was a major in the military. So this younger man, the Sun number one, was a major in the military. Entered 2004,. Exited 20 years later, 2024. Correct, and he has the Sun placement next to Saturn Sun-Saturn very strong.

Speaker 2:

Saturn is the ruler of his tribe because he's got Capricorn rising. Sorry to talk off of you, not at all.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, he's got Capricorn rising. Sorry to talk off of you, not at all. So, cap rising, sun-saturn conjunction, pluto square, that Sun-Saturn conjunction, and again that Mars at 14 Leo, sun at 10 degrees is a sign of Cancer. That's separated by 34 degrees. So there we go. We have a semi-sextile of Sun and Mars in the majors chart. Now his brothers.

Speaker 2:

Wait, I just want to point something else. Oh, I'm so sorry, Please go ahead. I wanted to just say that the ruler of his midheaven career happens to be Scorpio, which is a traditional ruler of Mars. You and I will say it's Pluto, right so?

Speaker 1:

we're going to say it's both yeah and boy, doesn't that flush out.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so the ruler of his career angle, in other words astrology 101, like a basic tenant of astrology, is the Ascendant, governs the person's personality and sense of selfhood, ruled by Saturn. Here at Capricorn Rising, conjunct, the Sun discipline and the career ruler, scorpio, at the top of the career chart. There, at the top of the career angle ruled by Pluto and Mars respectively, that Pluto's significant high up in the sky, there with Uranus, again that Pluto's square, the Saturn square, the saturn square the mercury, square the sun, yeah so, again, you want saturn.

Speaker 1:

You'd say structured, pluto, structured, pluto structured, uh, force structured, you know, yeah, structured power themes, yep, no, I I doing what I do as a backyard astronomer, a very avid astronomer and an astrologer. I do really weird things that astrologers never approve of. Like, I look at that Mars at 34 degrees away from the sun and I think, oh, wow, that Mars is conjunct the sun. I look at that Mars as being aligned to the sun. Granted, I don't see it conjunct, like I do Saturn and Mercury, but I see there being a Mars-Sun alignment, nearly a semi-sextile, and I think, huh, that's interesting. I look at the brother of this eldest sun, so sun number two, and here again we have Mars and sun, in this case separated by 31, 32 degrees, so again a semi-sextile. That's kind of an interesting coincidence.

Speaker 1:

So, take it away. Laura, what would you say about this chart that stood out when you thought?

Speaker 2:

about it. Well, when I look at the chart, I don't look at that semi-sextile, but you had pointed that out and I do find that interesting. What jumps off the page to me is that this person has Pluto on the Ascendant, he has his Mars and his Mercury in conjunction with each other in Capricorn, which is Saturn ruled right, and then he has where's his Saturn again?

Speaker 1:

Opposite, at the top, at the mid-haven of the track.

Speaker 2:

Right, it's right in there in his 10th house, and so I see that and again. So we're seeing that theme play out again in relationship to each other.

Speaker 1:

So that the Saturn, the Mars and the Pluto all significant in this chart.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 1:

And powerful placements in the chart, and then also, too, I'm looking at that semi-sextile of Mars to Sun. Now this Sun number two, again, just like Sun number one, sun number one entered the military, became a major in 2004. Sun number two entered the police force, entered training right.

Speaker 2:

Right Went into the academy in 2004. No, I think his first day of I'm sorry, his first day on the job was in 2004.

Speaker 1:

But I believe that would mean that he went into the academy in that year as well, because, let me just see, july 1st 2004 it was the first um day on the job so so 2000, so july 1st 2004, for son number two into the first day on the job as a police officer, his brother, son number three.

Speaker 2:

July 1st 2004 as well.

Speaker 1:

July of 2004 as well. They were both in the academy together and in training together. Yep, yeah, and they both exited the same year, 2024.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they exited a month apart. One stayed in a little bit longer than the other.

Speaker 1:

Okay, the important thing, folks, as we go through these charts the eldest son, the major in the army, had a number of longer tours, entered the military as an officer 2004, left 2024. The second son, born February 7th 1977, 9.34pm, mineola, new York. The second son began his first day in the job in July of 2004, exited summer or thereabouts 2024. The third son, who was in the academy with the second son, the third son was born May 24th 1979, almost 8 pm, 7.40 pm again in New York, in Mineola, new York. That third sun has Saturn at the top of the chart, conjoined the Mid-Haven.

Speaker 2:

With the North Node, with the North Node, mm-hmm. And oh, I'm sorry I'm cutting you off. Go ahead. Not at all. No, I mean, but we also. Scorpio is the ruler of his chart right, so that means that Mars and Pluto come in. Yeah, and we can see that he's got that Venus and Mars conjunction in Taurus in a perfect trine there to his Saturn and to his Midheaven, and then Plutouto is also elevated. It's over there in the 10th, 11th house.

Speaker 1:

We're sitting right there on the cusp there, so it's definitely um, that theme keeps coming up right at the top of the chart saturn and pluto, these two elevated planets and pluto, by the way, astronomically speaking, since it has a very elliptical orbit like comets, pluto's oftentimes really quite high off the ecliptic. So I would be unsurprised if, astronomically, if Pluto may be very high in the sky oftentimes it's higher than an astrology chart shows but in any case, pluto is prominent rules. The ascendant Saturn is prominent conjoined. The North Node in Midhaven Mars is prominent in that it's conjoined Venus exactly. And this was again another police officer who went to Academy roughly 2004,. Exited.

Speaker 2:

No, it's not roughly 2000,. But yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1:

It was 2004.

Speaker 2:

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:

Okay, and exited the same year 2024, as the other two brothers, right, mm-hmm? Yeah, wow, it's just amazing.

Speaker 2:

It's just really kind of interesting. The other thing that was interesting about this is, although the father to these children, as well as the grandfather, were in the military career-wise, they weren't military career or law enforcement. So it's interesting that these three brothers ended up doing that which, to my understanding from the mother, it was not the original intention. Hence the older brother had all that schooling behind him.

Speaker 2:

He had a master's by the time he went in, the two other brothers had bachelor degrees. One of them was thinking about being an architect, the other one was thinking about being a doctor and had a friend whose father was in the police, was pretty high up there in Manhattan and the friend was going in and you know what. Let's throw our hat in this too, but you know and see and you know how they do and and what happened was they were called for it and they just decided to run with that, which was so weird, because they weren't gonna do that.

Speaker 2:

The mom thought that that was really kind of strange that they all ended up doing that and that her reading came true all from all three sons were in uniform.

Speaker 1:

So I'm curious I know our time is a little limited today, but which son was considering being an architect and which one was considering being a medical practitioner?

Speaker 2:

Oh, okay. So the middle son, the one who was born in 77, he was considering being an architect. With Saturn opposite his son and up there in the career angle, mm-hmm, and you look at, he's got Libra rising Moon on the Ascendant right. And then the other one was the youngest one one.

Speaker 2:

he was the one who was thinking about being a uh, a uh position well he was actually thinking about being a surgeon, but then found out that his hands were too big. But if and he did work in a hospital for a while, uh-huh, but if you see, you can see that he's got venus and mars.

Speaker 1:

Um, in that, you straddling that sixth house, that sixth house of health and medical practice and his son is just above the horizon, there just about getting ready to set at his time of birth Again the last son we're talking about May 24th of 79, roughly 8pm in New York.

Speaker 2:

These times are exact.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, no, I'm saying for the audience who's?

Speaker 2:

listening versus seeing or watching on YouTube, and he's got that Mercury and the Moon in there too, and what we're not showing, just because it becomes visually just kind of dizzying to look at, is that he actually has his Juno. He has Chiron in there as well, all in Taurus.

Speaker 1:

Wow, so Juno and Chiron in here too. Chiron the healer is in that sixth house bundle.

Speaker 2:

In that sixth house right at 10 degrees.

Speaker 1:

Interesting.

Speaker 2:

In the sixth house, so just wanted to point that out. Thought that was pretty interesting.

Speaker 1:

I often find, not only in that sixth sector that we know in traditional astrology the second, twelfth house and the sixth house are known to be the houses of health and health providers Commonly too, having the sun on the descendant where you're working with others, let's say one patient after another. It's very common for those who work individually, you know, doctors one-on-one, acupuncturists, one-on-one, astrologers, more typically one-on-one so to have this gentleman's sun placement in the seventh, right on that angle, also not infrequent to find with medical practitioners Also. Jupiter also has some governance astrologically regarding medical practice there in the ninth house. Here's another thing that I do with astrology.

Speaker 1:

Most astrologers don't. I look at the top of the chart as the outer world, aka the career. So I would look at the Pluto and I would look at the Saturn and I would look at the Jupiter, all the top of the chart Jupiter on the cusp of the ninth, saturn right on the cusp of the 10th and Pluto on the cusp of the 11th. But I would wonder if all three of these planets might figure in this person's outer world personality. But there's the Jupiter, the idea of like being a healer, you know Interesting for son number three. So all three sons enter.

Speaker 2:

My three sons, not my three sons, not my three sons, not yours.

Speaker 1:

You'd be quite a bit older than you are my Three Sons. It's a TV show. The oldest son you know 1974, july 2nd enters the military with advanced degrees and a master's degree. Becomes a major in the military. Stays for 20 years. He enters 2004,. Leaves military in 2024. The second brother, the second son, enters the police force Summertime 2004,. Leaves the police force 2024. The third son enters the police force 2004,. Exits the police force 2024. They, all three of these youngsters. As you said, the mother had been told by a psychic that her three sons will be in uniform, that she'll have three babies and they'll have three boys and they'll all be in uniform. Is that what?

Speaker 1:

yeah, wow yeah life is strange and so you can't make this up.

Speaker 2:

It happened it's so.

Speaker 1:

Do you have any? Do you do you have any? As we kind of come going to close shortly today, do you have any thoughts or or kind of some summary here for the audience, the listeners and the viewers, when you had these clients and when you kind of helped them understand or maybe you thought about understanding where they were with this Mars, pluto, saturn, thing?

Speaker 2:

Well, initially I didn't really realize for sure what the connection was, but I knew it was something that we needed to look into, and so that would you start saying, okay, what are the patterns here that are repeating themselves and what is typical? And that's where you really come in, because that's like. I know astrology. I've been dabbling in astrology late 80s but I'm not an astrologer, a professional astrologer. So it's really you.

Speaker 1:

You do practice right. So we're going to look at, we're going to put out there in a little moment a little way people can contact you for the work you offer and your website and so forth. But astrology and you have been together for quite a long time. You've been doing and studying for a very long time yourself.

Speaker 2:

A very long time yeah. I was bitten by the astrology bug officially in 1994, where I really kind of went into it, but I um, I never, I, you know, went off and did other things, as they say. Um, so one of the things before we close, because we are kind of pressed for time, but I, I wanted to have you on my uh podcast and um.

Speaker 1:

yes, yes.

Speaker 2:

And I really want to talk about those wide orbs and why you work with those and where you see the proof in the pudding as part of you know what makes you really kind of unique, because I would say that I would say most astrologers are not astronomers also, and they don't even know how to marry the two together. So I really would love to talk about that with you and kind of delve into that, because I do think you have a very unique way of looking at things and you've been working almost 50 years, which is crazy when I look at you because how could that be? But yeah, so let's get that together at some point in time in your future.

Speaker 1:

We'll do that and we'll dig into it a bit. But since you bring it up, I'll just say in brief yeah, next June I think it's next June will be my 50th year of professional practice as an astrologer, working with clients. Wow, and in those five decades what I have seen over time for me it's a little bit in brief have seen over time For me it's a little bit brief. We all learn the foundations of astrology that have come to be foundational constructs, foundational teachings. For good reasons, because those constructs work.

Speaker 1:

But there are always little perturbances and odd things, oddities, like the three young men in today's broadcast. They each were in both the military and paramilitary forces. Two brothers trained together as cadets and as police officers, One was a major in the army. They all have a Mars within roughly 30 degrees of their sun. Now in astrology generally speaking, a semi-sextile we think of having not really any particular energetic. But you know there has been a lot of discussion over the decades of 22 degrees. The 22 degree mark astrologically is being a significant degree of empowerment. So here I'm not really. I guess I should be not surprised after all these years I keep seeing Mars when it's about semi-sextile, roughly 30 degrees or less from the sun, people who are athletic, people who marry or are drawn to romantic sexual partners, who are athletic and powerful and are martial artists and military firemen. I see it again and again, and again.

Speaker 2:

The other thing I was just remembering that the mother told me was they were all in, I'll say, karate. It might have been something different, but all together.

Speaker 1:

In martial arts. Yes, all together.

Speaker 2:

The oldest one, the oldest one when he actually. You know, when they do the karate, they have matches against each other and then whoever tournaments he, I guess, annihilated the first couple of boys that he won against and that the third boy he went against was going against, started to cry because he was afraid to go against the soul. That was how intense the energy was and how it's just he leveled the other two that came before him yeah. I'm not talking about his brothers, I'm talking about whoever he was matching up against.

Speaker 1:

And, by the way, if we go a little bit, there's other days we'll talk about it, but there was a whole study regarding astrology and its validity called the Galkelin Report, and it spawned a book called the Mars Effect. When Mars is prominent in a chart, usually, and particularly at one of the angles, the main angles of a chart. When Mars is one of those main angles of a chart, those four main angles of a chart, mars rising, setting, culminating, is supposed to be the indicator of a powerful athletic person, as is a Mars conjunction, an athlete. So, in closure here, let's make sure that we bring up some slides where people could find out where to connect with you and, uh, dear Laura, and so, um, so, to contact Laura, thank you for coming today, so appreciate it.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, my pleasure. Yeah, so it's at picking up the conversationcom.

Speaker 1:

So it's at pickinguptheconversationcom. So, indeed, yes, thank you, laura, for sharing with me once again your wonderful, brilliant astrological thoughts and this incredible journey with the family of these Mars, saturn, pluto people. Also, too, I want to make sure that I ask our audience that you do subscribe. Please do go to Apple Podcasts and subscribe to my podcast there, as well as to other areas like Spotify to subscribe as well. The more subscriptions I have, the more the algorithms will find me. So I thank you for those efforts to subscribe and follow. Thank you so much and, of course, those who want to have a private session with me, please do go to my website at astrologyspiritcom. Thanks everyone for watching and for listening and we'll see you again shortly. Take care.